Sanders Doubles Down On Nevada Convention Controversy

aporeticelenchus:

bobcatmoran:

Sanders supporters, believing they had been treated unfairly, rushed the stage, threw chairs and were shouting obscenities, according to veteran Nevada journalist Jon Ralston. Even after the convention concluded, many refused to leave and had to be escorted out by security.

Since then, Lange, the Nevada Democratic chairwoman, said she’s been receiving threats from Sanders supporters.

“It’s been vile,” she told the New York Times. “It’s been threatening messages, threatening my family, threatening my life, threatening my grandchild.”

Hey, Sanders supporters? Specifically the minority of you who are doing this kind of thing (I fully realize that most of you are capable of not acting like crazed Trump supporters) — stop.

Seriously. This is not helping your candidate. Yelling and berating people on the internet who you think are supporting Clinton is not helping your candidate. Yelling at people in real life, threatening people for supporting candidates other than yours is absoutely not helping your candidate. What it does is make people like me, who loved the idea of a Sanders candidacy from the very moment it was announced, start to creep towards being a Clinton supporter because they don’t want to be associated with this kind of behavior. 

This just makes people think that Sanders is the Trump of the left, and I don’t mean in the sense of him being anti-establishment. I mean in the sense of people thinking his supporters are a threat, that this is the sort of behavior he condones (I know Bernie does not condone this behavior — he said so himself). 

Also, I’ve heard more than a few Bernie supporters saying they’ll support Trump if it comes down to a Clinton-Trump race. To which I say, look at Sanders’ positions. Look at Clinton’s. Look at Trump’s. Which one is closer to Sanders? I guarantee you, it’s not the tiny-handed guy with the orange hair and complexion.

I’ve been reading about this all day and it’s infuriating. There’s been a problem of harassment and threats from a certain wing of the Sanders crowd for a while, and it just seems to be getting worse. There’s something incredibly depressing about how predictable the threats and misogynistic insults are, and how predictable the responses by commenters saying hey, really she deserves all these death threats and implications that people are going to hurt her grandkids because they don’t agree with how she called a voice vote, and that probably this is just HRC supporters pretending to be angry Bernie supporters in order to make themselves look like victims. Because we all know that there are never real cases of harassment and slurs and death threats, especially not against women.

But you know what else makes me mad? The absolutely anemic response from Sen. Sanders himself. A candidate isn’t responsible for everything his or her supporters do, but that candidate does control the tone they set and how they respond. I went to go look up his full response because I though maybe the articles I was reading were taking his quotes of context. You can find it here, and see that it actually begins by saying that people are rightfully angry, and the DNC actually needs to change its ways. So that’s the tone. Here’s the bit where he actually addresses the threats and harassment (bolding mine):

“Within the last few days there have been a number of criticisms made
against my campaign organization. Party leaders in Nevada, for example,
claim that the Sanders campaign has a ‘penchant for violence.’ That is
nonsense.
Our campaign has held giant rallies all across this country,
including in high-crime areas, and there have been zero reports of
violence. Our campaign of course believes in non-violent change and it
goes without saying that I condemn any and all forms of violence,
including the personal harassment of individuals.
But, when we speak of
violence, I should add here that months ago, during the Nevada campaign,
shots were fired into my campaign office in Nevada and apartment
housing complex my campaign staff lived in was broken into and
ransacked.”

So in short: Of course we condemn violence, not that there’s any going on, and actually we’re the real victims of violence! And whatever happened is your fault anyway! There’s one line about condemning non-specific violence embedded in an otherwise angry and defensive statement.

You know what? When people on your team are sending threats against someone’s grandchildren and calling her “cunt” and “bitch” and telling her they want to see her publicly executed you don’t get to take umbrage at the details of how voice votes are counted or whether there were proper parking accommodations until after you’ve engaged with that fact and tried to make it right. That fact doesn’t get to be an afterthought in your response. Let’s talk about the process and how messy and ridiculous caucuses are in general, and details of delegate registration! Process matters and we should all know more about it then collectively we do, and we should engage with how to make it work better. But if that’s what you think is the most important thing to address here, then you need to take a cold hard look at your priorities.

…sorry for posting this rant all over your very reasonable post, bobcatmoran. Please address all hate mail to me, not her etc.

Sanders Doubles Down On Nevada Convention Controversy

@storytellerluna replied to your post: @takethewatch replied to your post:…aaaand they…

he hasn’t lost America yet! yeah he lost NY, but there are still SEVERAL states left to go!! (and superdelegates are known to switch sides at the last minute)

THIS IS A GOOD POINT.  And I thank you for reminding me.  ^_^  I’ll keep holding out hope that I’ll get to vote for him again.

belinsky:

peppermonster:

the two most unimpressed Jedi in the galaxy. Everyone was surprised, and Qui-Gon looks over at Obi-Wan like he just won a bet as to how long she would keep the charade going. 

#this is exactly what it looks like though #obi-wan’s like ‘damn just lost twenty credits’ #and qui-gon just looks at him like #‘does obi-wan realize- yep obi-wan realizes’ #‘twenty credits for me yay ’#i wonder if obi-wan got to hand over those twenty credits before qui-gon died #OH NO NOW I’M SAD