The Phantom Menace (1999)
Hello, friend! 😀 Oh, gosh, you have no idea how happy I am that someone asked this question. ^_^ And I hope you don’t mind if I publish it, but I’d like to have a record of what I said in case someone asks again. (wishful thinking ^_~) And please forgive me if this is at all incoherent. -.-;;;
ANYWAY, this ship honestly whammied me out of nowhere in about the last 30 minutes of the film. And I think you might be right that I’m the only person on this ship, because there’s nothing on AO3 for them and I can’t find anything on tumblr, either. But I’m so glad that it doesn’t sound like utter crack to at least one other person and thank you SO much for telling me so! I HOPE WE START SOMETHING. ^_^
So, the whole thing started with those two moments I posted gifsets of the other night. [gifset one, gifset one slightly nsfw version, gifset two] Sometimes all it takes is a certain look between two characters to get me shipping them and these two were definitely communicating a whole host of things with their eyes alone and it KILLED ME. *_*
And the rest behind a cut, because length. -.-;;;
In that first gifset, there was this moment where you can just tell that Brahmwell has impressed the hell out of Elmont by insisting he stay and stand with the guard. And every time that he did something similar earlier in the fight (i.e., taking up a spot on the ropes), Elmont looked equally startled, but equally happy. Like he hadn’t expected it and it just filled him with pride in his king. And it culminates in that first gifset where the look on Elmont’s face is even a step beyond impressed. It’s ecstatic
and ALSO MAYBE A LOT TURNED ON, BUT THAT COULD JUST BE MY INTERPRETATION. And then in the second gifset, they are both such proud parents it’s ADORABLE. Because the child they’ve looked after her whole life and the young man that Elmont has come to admire on his own terms have finally grown up and are so in love and they’re just so happy about it and AW. ^_______________^ But it’s that look between them, where you can just see that they understand each other so perfectly, even without words, that undoes me every time.
I guess what it basically boils down to is that the King and Lionheart trope is one of my favorite tropes. (I tried to find a better link for you, but that’s the only reference I could actually find to the trope? O_o;;;) Anyway, the basic deal with a King and Lionheart trope is that there is a ruler and their vassal/guard/champion/what-have-you, and there is MAD FEALTY AND RESPECT between the two and, while it may be only the vassal showing fealty in public, in reality, it goes both ways, with the vassal able to take liberties in private that they would never dream of taking in public. (…I definitely have a loyalty/fealty kink. ^_^) And honestly, Elmont just exemplifies that Lionheart character achetype. He has such utter, absolute, unshakable faith in his monarchs – both Brahmwell and Isabelle – but you can see in the beginning that neither of them ~quite~ lives up to his mental image of what they could be: Isabelle because she’s too young and too sheltered, and Brahmwell because he’s been so devastated by loss that he’s let fear coax him into making selfish and poor decisions. Then, through the course of the movie, both Isabelle and Brahmwell step up to the plate and grow up a little, until by the end he’s so proud of both of them and so full of love for them that he’s practically glowing with it.
And from there, it’s a very short step to shipping? ^_^
Anyway, thank you SO MUCH for asking and I hope that was coherent, and anytime you want to stop by and talk about these two some more, I AM TOTALLY UP FOR THAT.
(And if you’d rather I didn’t publish future responses, please let me know; I just really wanted to keep this one. ^_^)
“I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out interror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.”
OH GOSH. OH NO. NOOOOOOO.
I COULD HAVE LIVED MY ENTIRE LIFE AND HAPPILY NEVER MADE THIS CONNECTION.
Because no matter how often I’ve seen the prequels, no matter how much I’ve thought about what it must have been like for Obi-Wan to be one of the few surviving Jedi, I never thought about THIS. The reality that Obi-wan spent twenty years exiled in the desert, living out the consequences of feeling so many of his brethren die, waiting, hoping, for a chance to make those deaths mean something. And then the moment he steps foot off of Tatooine to make that attempt, he’s faced with an even larger mass murder, once again happening right in front of him, taking away people he cares about.
I can’t even fully comprehend how horrible that must have felt.
*cracks knuckles* OK, I am home and prepared to talk Downton OT3, now. And I’m going to publish it, if that’s OK, because I’d like to keep it and please forgive the incoherence. -.-;;;
It’s Mary x Tom x Henry. And I have SUCH complex feelings about the three of them. So, first off, I’m pretty convinced that Tom is somewhere on the ace spectrum–possibly demisexual, given Sybil. And Mary… I’m not entirely sure? If I had to pin her down, I’d say gray-a or demi, as well. And you know that the two of them are the queerplatonic soulmates of my Downton heart, yes? ^_^
Anyway, I honestly haven’t been sure what to make of Henry for most of the season. He’s charming af, yes, but his relationship with Mary seemed to come out of nowhere. Like everyone’s going “Mary, you’re an idiot, he’s perfect for you!” and I’m like… “Eh? Where the fuck are you getting that from?” Because apart from the fact that they argued from minute one (a sure sign of Mary in love/lust), I just wasn’t seeing it.
Now, TOM and Henry… that I saw. I saw it in SPADES. Because Tom is like, “ZOMG, YOU LIKE CARS?? I LIKE CARS. WE SHOULD TALK CARS.” And then Henry turns around and goes, “ZOMG, WE SHOULD DO THIS THING, YES, OMG, I HAVE ALWAYS WANTED SOMEONE TO TALK CARS WITH.” And literally every time Tom tried to hook the two of them up, one or both of them would turn around with, “ZOMG, TOM, YOU SHOULD COME, TOO.”
And what clinched it for me was in ep 8 when Henry comes back and Tom bows out of the conversation with that “Thanks, but I’ve been involved in this courtship long enough” line. And BOTH MARY AND HENRY SEEM SAD THAT HE’S LEAVING EVEN THOUGH THEY CLEARLY HAVE PRIVATE THINGS TO SAY TO EACH OTHER, AND REALLY WHAT EVEN IS THAT???
So, I guess my point is that Tom and Mary understand each other SO WELL and have for at least two seasons. Tom and Henry also understand each other really well. And Mary and Henry may be in lust with each other and appreciate the intellectual challenge provided by the other, but they work best with Tom in the middle. I mean… he’s Mary’s work partner on the estate and Henry’s work partner in the car shop and he really seems at his happiest when he has a foot in both of those worlds.
And I’m honestly not sure I want him LITERALLY in the middle, because, like I said, pretty sure he’s demi, at best, but he is DEFINITELY an emotionally significant part of that relationship, no matter how you slice it, and I’d love to read fic acknowledging that and exploring how it plays out.
#THAT’S ALL REY’S EVER WANTED#FOR SOMEONE TO COME BACK FOR HER#AND ALL FINN WANTED TO DO WAS GET AS FAR AWAY FROM THE FIRST ORDER AS HE COULD#BUT THEN THEY TOOK REY AND HE HAD TO GO BACK FOR HER BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HE DOES#AND ALL FINN’S WANTED IS TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS HIS COMPASSION AND EMPATHY AND LOVE FOR OTHERS#AND REY DOES THAT WITH HIM#SHE THROWS HERSELF INTO HIS ARMS#AND IF YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND HOW THESE TWO ARE LITERALLY MADE FOR EACH OTHER#THEY’RE THE ANTIDOTE TO THE OTHER’S PAIN AND NOW IM IN PAIN
OK, but you know what else is going on in this scene that bears mentioning? I didn’t even catch it until like… the fourth time I saw the movie. (I’M A BIT SLOW SOMETIMES, OK. -.-;;;)
Rey understands Shyriiwook.
I can’t imagine that many Wookiee hang out on Jakku. Desert climate + permanent fur coat =/= happy Wookiee. And Rey doesn’t get off Jakku much. 😛 So where did she pick that up, I wonder?
I mean, it’s certainly true that the peoples of Star Wars tend to be multilingual. I just think that’s an odd one for her to have picked up. So she either learned it REALLY quickly upon leaving Jakku, or she already knew it (and somehow retained it) from when she was a young child. And I want to know more.
It’s been almost 17 years and I still don’t know why Padme Amidala develops a crush on 11 year old Anakin Skywalker when she’s been traveling with a young and hot Ewan McGregor
My first reaction upon reading this was “SO MUCH AGREE.”
But I’ve done some thinking about it since then and it’s a bit more complex than that, I think. The first thing is that Padme quite clearly did NOT have a crush on Anakin to begin with. It’s pretty clear, in fact, that beyond a lingering fondness for the boy he was, Padme didn’t really spend much time thinking about him in the 10 years between TPM and AotC. But, putting that aside, let’s look at something simpler – their ages.
And this got way long… sorry OP!
In TPM, Anakin was 10-11 years old. Padme was 14. Obi-Wan was somewhere in his early-mid twenties (25). (There seems to be some debate on this, but let’s face it, George Lucas was worse about pinning down ages than Victor Hugo in Les Mis and that’s saying a lot. :P) ANYWAY, if you’re 14 years old, even if you rule a planet, you’re closer in emotional age to an 11 year old than you are to an adult in their mid-twenties. And with everything she’s got going on, she’s probably not so much focusing on the potential eye-candy around her. But she can relate to Anakin. She sympathizes and is horrified by his situation as a slave, she appreciates his humor, and later on, she feels his homesickness as keenly as she does her own. And let’s not forget that he’s the one who drags her off into the house to show off his stuff to her and treats her like the young girl she never gets a chance to be otherwise. She may not have a crush on him, but there’s a definite connection there. A basis for a friendship.
Obi-Wan, while he’s obviously more mature and a more appropriate object of physical attraction (…being as Ani is TEN, FFS. O_o;;;), he’s also more untouchable in many, many ways. Qui Gon is his entire world, for one thing. Qui Gon and the Jedi order. The Jedi also don’t do attachment. And even if that weren’t the case, to Obi-Wan, Padme (as Amidala) is the reigning queen of her people and a politician. He would NEVER cross that line AND he doesn’t trust politicians. And as the handmaiden Padme, well… she’s a child. She’s 14 and he’s eleven years older than her and he’d no more reciprocate an attraction to her than she would to Anakin. So even if she might crush on him from afar, he’s sure not going to initiate anything, and she’s far too grounded and practical and astute to think that anything ever could or would happen there.
Now let’s skip forward ten years to AotC.
Anakin is now 21. Padme is 24. Obi-Wan is 35 going on 50. And Anakin is the one Padme spends all her time with in this movie. Obi-Wan is off tracking down clones and running solo missions. Padme is hiding out in gorgeous pastoral and Blatantly Romantic Settings ™ with Anakin and then flying off on adventures with him. It’s a completely different situation. And it’s no wonder that he’s the one she falls for, especially given how he worships the ground she walks on at this point. They relate to each other so well; neither of them is for Jedi serenity or rejection of attachment and they find comfort and understanding in each other.
So, it kind of makes sense, when you think about it that way?
(I’m so sorry, OP, I really didn’t mean to go off on this so much, but I literally had this reblog sitting open in a tab for a week because it made me think so hard. -.-;;;)
The reason I am mainly seeing to why people don’t believe she is a Solo is because they don’t understand why Han and Leia didn’t recognize Rey when they met her, so at the moment that’s the only point I’m directing.
My reply to this is always, they did.
They did recognize her.
This is the point where people go “No they didn’t??? And if they did, why didn’t they say something or act like it???”
But they did. You can see it in the way Han is amazed by how much she knows about the Millennium Falcon, or how he and Leia look at her when she isn’t paying attention. They look at her with unsure glances. How you would look at a high school friend that you hadn’t seen 10 years.
Or, how you would look at someone who you thought died years ago.
Yes, the reason they don’t recognize Rey or bring it up at all, is because they think she is dead.
Think about it, Han and Leia have two kids, and as we can see, they both have the force. It would only be logical for them to send both of them off to train with Luke, especially if the reason why they’re sending Ben off to train with Luke is because they’re scared that he has Vader in him. If Ben does, what if Rey does too? Might as well send her off as well just to be sure.
This theory also explains why Luke went into hiding.
Yes, sure. You could say that he went into hiding because he failed at training Ben. But. Get this.
Imagine, you’re Luke. Your sister sends to you her son, and her younger daughter. Most likely explaining that they were worried for Ben. So he trains them and the new ‘batch’ of Jedi, up until the point of the massacre.
Now, I believe that Kylo is just as strong and skilled as a lot of people do, but to kill all the training Jedi knights and younglings, is a bit of a stretch to me.
We’ve already been informed of this ‘Knights of Ren’ thing, but not what it is.
My theory is that he did the logical thing, and got a bunch of the Jedi to join him. Rightfully naming them, the Knights of Ren. Even if that is wrong, and they were just a bunch of people under Snoke, my theory still stands.
Anyways. Ben (now known as Kylo) kills all the Jedi. All but one. Rey. Because of course, how could he kill his sister? It’s even seen in her vision. She is lying there (as old her, but we can assume that it was really young her in the flashback) and one of the Knights of Ren, swings to kill her. When he is stabbed and she is saved, by a red lightsaber. Kylo’s lightsaber. Kylo.
He can’t kill her. She is his little sister. At this point, he isn’t strong enough in his hate or ‘darkness’. With roughly 10 years of training to be ‘evil’, he still killed his father with regret, how the heck could he kill his own little sister?
So he doesn’t. He convinces the other KoR either not to tell, or that he will kill her, and he goes off and secretly sets her on Jakku. He erases her memory and possibly gives her fake memories of her ‘parents’ leaving her on Jakku. That way he is assured that 1) She will ever be harmed. and 2) She will never be a problem.
No one knows of this but him. Luke, Leia, Han, even Snoke, all think that she is dead. And that is what pushes Luke over the edge.
Because of him, his sister lost two of the most, if not the most, important people in her life. Because he could not help Ben, his sisters kids are both gone. It makes more sense to me that he would run away because he is ashamed that he let this happen. That Leia will never be okay again. It is shame that drives him to be a hermit, not pain. We’ve seen Luke look straight into the eyes of pain. It’s not always an easy fight, but it would be easier than fighting off shame.
So when Han and Leia see Rey, it only makes sense why Han is so quick to take her under his wing. He see’s her, and he see’s the daughter he could of had if he hadn’t lost her. It explains why he looks at her with that “I know you. I swear, you are just like my daughter… But my daughter is dead.”
Not only that, but why they never bring her up. If your own daughter was murdered at the hand of your son, would you ever want to remember that? It also explains why they only talk about Ben oh so much (then again, killing a bunch of jedi usually does that)
It explains why Kylo screams “what girl?” when he hears that BB-8 escaped with a girl from Jakku, and why he is softer around her.
Another thing that came to mind when I was thinking of this, is what other people have been saying about how the lightsaber called to her. And it made me think of what Kylo says when they are about to fight. What starts the battle between Kylo and Finn.
He sees the lightsaber, and he screams “that lightsaber belongs to me”. After thinking about it, I realized something. That lightsaber is Anakin’s. Not Darth Vader. Anakin’s.
As J.J. Abrams says.
“Kylo Ren idolizes Darth Vader, not Anakin Skywalker. He idolizes what Vader represents and what Vader was trying to do.”
If he idolizes Darth Vader, and not Anakin, why the heck would he care so much for Anakin’s lightsaber?
Yes, you could say that it was because Darth Vader’s was destroyed or missing or whatever generally happened to it, so Anakin’s was the next best thing. But that just doesn’t make sense to me.
What does make sense, is that when they were training, Rey was given Luke’s (Anakin) lightsaber, because Luke decided that it was fit for her.
Now if you look at it through Ben’s point of view, he already feels angry and unloved from his parents, but now he isn’t even given the family lightsaber? He was the first born, shouldn’t that be his?
That theory also explains why when Rey touches it, she get’s her vision of that fateful night. (And why Kylo decided to make his own lightsaber.)
So when he is screaming “that lightsaber belongs to me!” he means it because he actually believes that it should be his.
In conclusion, I’m pretty dead set on Rey being a Solo.
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I don’t agree 100%, but this is a DAMN good theory. Nicely done.
Not sure I buy it.
Because Anakin’s saber was lost. How did Luke get it back to give to Rey? It makes much more sense that it was retrieved by somebody else…
Other than that it does solidly explain how she could be a Solo.
So, this got me thinking. I feel like trying to keep track of the number of lightsabers that Anakin loses is one of the things that keeps Obi-Wan up nights when Anakin is his Padawan. *snerts* Especially given how many kyber crystals he must waste that way. 😛 So, tracking it down may be equally futile, but… in that last battle on Mustafar, Obi-Wan picks up Anakin’s lightsaber and takes it with him after defeating Anakin. That’s the one he gives to Luke in A New Hope. Luke lost that lightsaber (and a hand along with it -.-;;;) in Cloud City after the duel with Darth Vader in ESB. Luke then constructs his own lightsaber between ESB and RotJ.
Presumably that one is the lightsaber that Luke carries to this day.
I don’t remember if they actually state that explicitly in TFA since I’ve only seen it twice, but that seems to be the explanation they’re going with. And if that’s true… then you’re right. Luke wouldn’t have had that lightsaber to give to Rey to train with. Unless Maz lent it out and then took it back.
…now I’m having visions of Maz running a lightsaber library. Can you imagine the late fees?
And I bet half her stock are lightsabers that Anakin lost. ;D